Group discussion > Creativity

Creativity

Aleksandar Malečić
779 days ago

This is a topic about creativity. We can't measure creativity, but we can see its effects all around us. My approach here will be that a person becomes creative and talented through conversations and interactions with other people and their activities. I'll try to answer here (I am also inviting you to add your answers) these questions: "What is creativity?", "How can people develop their talents?" and "How can we enhance creativity in this meshwork and the internet in general?"

Aleksandar Malečić
773 days ago

Creativity is an ability to create something new or to find new connections between already existing ideas and solutions. How can a person become a creative member of this meshwork? One must:

  1. at least presume that it's possible to create something new and unseen here,
  2. allow something new to emerge, to let thoughts play on both conscious and unconscious level,
  3. fill the meshwork with texts, so other visitors can find something and perhaps combine it in a creative way,
  4. write or post anything here (keep it private if you want, just feel yourself like a real member),
  5. recognize differences between crises and opportunities.

Aleksandar Malečić
761 days ago

A creative person creates something new or adds something new to already existing things. He/she has a head filled with all kinds of relevant and irrelevant information. A creative idea emerges on the unconscious level. If the conscious mind catches something good in that unconscious mess (similar to remembering an interesting dream), it can be remembered or written down. You must fill your head with information, connect with interesting people and move across an information-rich environment (meshwork) if you want to let something new to emerge. A creative process is spontaneous and automatic. It's like riding a bicycle. I am not so creative, so I am only guessing here how it works.

Aleksandar Malečić
748 days ago

What is a creative scene? It is a location with a high concentration of creative individuals. No matter how creative they are, they are still similar with a style specific for their area and period. Creative individuals are just the most visible part of a creative scene. Their audience, supporters, friends, neighbours and interesting local people also belong to the scene.

We are becoming more and more interactive and interconnected. With a critical mass of active members, a social network (meshwork) can become a virtual equivalent of a creative scene. In both cases (real and virtual) bursts of creativity happen in an information rich environment that supports creativity and unconventional thinking (still, no matter how loosely, following the latest fashion and trends).

Aleksandar Malečić
740 days ago

Creativity happens on a thin line between chaos and order. A creative scene has (approximately) two kinds of people - chaotic and ordered. A creative process requires thinking out of the box and applying new or modified ideas, adjusting them to the society as a whole. Speaking of thinking out of the box - I fell out of the box long time ago.

Aleksandar Malečić
730 days ago

Do you have any forgotten talents? Something that you could, but you don't use so much? My talents are (I suppose) writing, drawing imaginary caricatures (I prefer facial expressions over technical aspects of drawing) and I have an ear for music. I like playing with thoughts - something similar to jokes, but not funny. Also, I enjoy observing eccentric people. I feed on their personalities like a leech. Maybe there are some hidden talents inside of you, talents you might need in changed circumstances or environment (e.g. this meshwork).

Aleksandar Malečić
729 days ago

In these turbulent times you can either

  1. voluntarily leave your comfort zone now and then and observe what happens or
  2. wait to be kicked out of your comfort zone.

Aleksandar Malečić
726 days ago

The Beatles, four friends from Liverpool, were active during a few years in 1960s. They are the most popular rock band ever. What happened when they disbanded? Each member had a successful solo career. You can't be unsuccessful if you are a former Beatle - it just doesn't make sense.

Pearl Jam was the most popular American rock band in America during the 1990s. Their sound was defined in the middle of 1980s by Stone Gossard who was then a member of Green River. Green River and Melvins mutually developed a musical genre later known as grunge. Many bands around Seattle accepted this "dirty" sound and developed a very saturated and successful musical scene. A man whose name was Kurt Cobain hadn't succeeded to become a member of Melvins, so he created Nirvana, the most popular American rock band in the world during the 1990s. Dave Grohl, the former Nirvana drummer, later formed Foo Fighters. He didn't contribute to Nirvana's music, but Foo Fighters are successful (of course). The main songwriter for Pearl Jam now is their singer Eddie Vedder, invited to sing and not to make music.

Jelena Jankovic, Ana Ivanovic and Novak Djokovic, Serbian tennis players, were two years ago (if I remember correctly) on the first three positions in the world. They had important role models in Janko Tipsarevic (relatively successful, motivated by Novak's success to become more successful) and Monika Seles (more distant in the past, but among the best female tennis players of all times).

Once upon a time, Bill Gates and Paul Allen were roommates. Later they semi-independently became the richest men in America.

Put a similar example that you know here.

Is there a pattern? Can creativity and talents be replicated in given circumstances? Can these circumstances be replicated?

Aleksandar Malečić
723 days ago

Here is a recipe for developing a creative scene:

  1. First you need creative and eccentric individuals willing to put already existing things, concepts and ideas in a different context.
  2. Let them interact.
  3. Parts of the system (companies, people interested in business and early supporters) are slowly recognizing a novelty.
  4. New creative individuals are slowly appearing. The second wave of the scene will make it big.
  5. The scene exploded.
  6. Now it's time for post-grunge.

Aleksandar Malečić
720 days ago

Talents and creativity can be learnt and replicated. They cannot be learnt (only) in schools, but it's also important whether you are close to the center of a creative scene or not. You don't believe me? Here are some examples:

  1. Malcolm McLaren - managed the first (New York Dolls in New York) and the second wave of punk rock (Sex Pistols in London), later a relatively successful musician himself,
  2. Butch Vig - produced big rock albums (Nirvana's Nevermind, Smashing Pumpkins...), provoked to succeed with his band Garbage,
  3. Aaron Turner - started a musical company (Hydra Head) as a teenager and signed some important names in musical underground, now relatively successful with Isis (actually, they are disbanding, but that's another story),
  4. Billy Howerdel - a former guitar technician for popular rock bands (Tool being one of them), later a successful musician and songwriter (A Perfect Circle).

I could add more examples (Black Sabbath and Ozzy Osbourne and Dio, Massive Attack and Tricky, Glenn Branca and Sonic Youth, Syd Barrett and Pink Floyd, Karlheinz Stockhausen and Can...). The point is that talents can replicate and they do replicate. It's like a rule with very few exceptions. It works the same way in other human activities. I used musical examples just because they are more obvious.

Aleksandar Malečić
673 days ago

If creativity can be learnt and replicated, why is that so? People closer to the epicentre of a creative scene go to sleep and wake up thinking about creativity. Also, the first wave of a scene prepares a specific audience, so the second wave can grow on a fertile ground and bring original ideas closer to the mainstream. It works. Really.

Aleksandar Malečić
660 days ago

Are there eccentric people in your area, interested in many things and who follow the rule "Everything is possible, unless proven opposite". There are in Serbia. I know some of them, or I know them through e-mail exchanges or I know people who know them. I am not talking here (necessarily) about people working on sustainability. Some people constantly think unconventionally and rarely follow the rest of the herd. I shall not mention names. They would know I am writing about them if they read this text. I shall try to think and behave like them.

Aleksandar Malečić
646 days ago

Do you have a unique talent, something that makes you different? I am not talking about being different for the sake of being different. There must be something deeply rooted inside of you that makes you unique. How many sentences are enough to describe it? Are there like-minded people around you, different from you but with whom you still share worldviews and/or talents? When did you use your uniqueness? When would you use it?

Aleksandar Malečić
644 days ago

Once upon a time, our ancestors were hunters and gatherers. Hunters/gatherers are people who can't control their environment. They don't have plans, institutions, economy and politics. They don't have stability and GDP. They use their talents to do things as good as they can. They listen and observe their environment and expect the unexpected.

Aleksandar Malečić
581 days ago

Is there a kind of activity that doesn't necessarily belong to our profession or working position, but activates a sense of duty and dedication inside of you? Something that is not necessarily pleasant, but would still motivate you to keep on moving forward like a perpetuum mobile? We all know that a perpetuum mobile is physically impossible and that both machines and people need support and energy from the outside world, but perhaps you still can answer the question from the beginning of this comment. Write it down here if you want to.

Aleksandar Malečić
536 days ago

"The glow retreats, done in the day of toil;
It yonder hastes, new fields of life exploring;
Ah, that no wing can lift me from the soil,
Upon its track to follow, follow soaring!"

This quote from Goethe's Faust has inspired Nikola Tesla to think about alternating current. As you can see, he didn't actually think about electric current.

Aleksandar Malečić
532 days ago

Never plan new ideas/innovations/solutions to happen. They have always been unplanned. If you were an active member of this meshwork and creator of something new, it would be well documented here in front of your and other people's eyes.

Aleksandar Malečić
504 days ago

It's time for brilliant people. But, even the most brilliant people can't be amazing and creative all the time. Politicians with passion, enthusiasm and craziness (willing to start something big as a war, but better) were never acceptable. Corporations, willing to keep running business as usual and spread across new and emerging markets, will need passionate politicians less than ever before.

Climate change is inevitable, but perhaps we can do something about the worst possible scenario. How does the worst possible scenario look like? Think about the most terrifying life conditions you can imagine and the worst scenario is still uglier. Panic is good only if it will motivate you to do something to make a difference.

Creativity will bloom in an information rich environment and people willing to do something creative. Are you good in something? Show it. Feed your enthusiasm. Be surrounded with like-minded people who understand the situation. Eat and breathe your capacity to think out of the box. Let the best ideas develop. Let other people continue when you can't. Nature knows nothing about values and political values. Adapt your values to the inevitable changes. Expect other people to hesitate. But, you must not be natural. You must stretch over your limits, feel the agony and make the right choice.

Communities and interactions should be redefined. The biggest storm/flood/wind/drought ever will become usual. It will be demanding to fix demolished houses and infrastructure after every storm. Peak oil will be very complicated for people living in the "developed" world. Many products are made of oil. We must make our communities more stable and prepared for unexpected events. We must be like ants with big brains.

Supply chains (as local as possible) should be adjusted to be more resistant to peak oil and climate change. How can we have more farmers working on smaller fields with more cultures and producing organic food for their local communities (peak oil and heavy weather conditions will suddenly appear "out of nowhere")? We must be creative about it.

Agriculture (hunting and gathering can be challenging on this devastated and overpopulated planet) is the root of any your activity. You can't eat financial schemes and services. If agriculture fails, everything fails. No economy can survived without (local or abroad) agriculture.

Speaking of agriculture, the paradox of monetary economy is that the most valuable things such as air, water and food must be cheap because everyone needs them. The non-monetary component of economy (volunteers, empathy, exchange) should be as big as possible. How big can it be? We must be creative about it. There is a discussion topic about it in this meshwork ( http://2020.global.gaiaspace.org/global/mod/groups/topicposts.php?topic=11810&group_guid=11660 ).

The key of success will be in trying and failing and then trying even more. Failures are even recommended in the beginning. Make the first step and fall directly on your nose. Use your nose ache as a lesson. Improvise.

Aleksandar Malečić
476 days ago

There is a difference between a pattern and recipe. I am doing here everything that I can to improve my knowledge and creativity related to sustainability. The words you are reading and my contributions within this meshwork written by an entirely different person from the one I used to be. It works. If it doesn't look so good to you, you would do it even better. I had been hesitating a lot before I joined this meshwork. I have a modest intellectual capacity, but this meshwork stretches it somehow beyond its limitations. You are more intelligent than me. You are an expert and I am not. Every average person would as an active member of this meshwork have contributions as good as mine or even better. Your creativity and knowledge would explode. Just let it happen.

So, if this meshwork increased its dynamics, what would happen with my knowledge and creativity? It would at least double. This meshwork behaves like my extended mind, my additional organ. It lives and breathes with me. I've already mentioned in this discussion topic that there is a pattern - people close to the center of a creative scene regularly (but not always) become enormously creative themselves. Once I start dreaming this meshwork and its members, you will hardly get rid of me from the front line in the next decade. It doesn't mean that I would misuse my position. I suppose it's impossible for a person actively and transparently involved with this meshwork (or anything similar) to be involved in those filthy political schemes and combinations. In order to do something relevant in this collaborative tool dealing with extremely complex changes, first you must put your ego aside and beat it into a pulp. You must expose yourself, to be naked, to have dilemmas. If you feel comfortable as a beginner in this meshwork (or anything similar), then you have done something wrong.

Ask questions. If you think that other people know answers, just look at the latest political speech/document/resolution. If you feel uncomfortable with your lack of knowledge, that's exactly what you should feel. At the peak of that unpleasant feeling, ask even more questions. As long as you hesitate the complications will keep on growing. As the complications keep on growing, IQ of an average politician willing to participate in hierarchy as usual (inherited political affairs and conflicts combined with new challenges) will be smaller and smaller. Their hearts will be smaller, too. It's simple as that - there are causes and there are their effects.

The cure for our current situation, if there is any cure left, is to behave like ants. An individual ant is not intelligent, but its colony is. I'll never see the big picture, the whole chain of events behind my words written here. It's fine with me. Maybe there isn't a success behind my activities here, but this kind of activity definitely increases chances to succeed and that's all that matters to me at the moment. My chances to do something creative are huge in comparison to my first steps here. They are far away from 100 percent, but your contributions could improve them because my mind (both conscious and unconscious) would be even more involved in this meshwork. This meshwork is not supposed to be my ego trip. I need you. I am not better than you intellectually or as a person. As long as I am better in both categories than an average politician of yours, I don't see a single reason to hesitate.

If you know a better online tool for this purpose, with better functionality and activities, let me know. The battle for sustainability will be fought online - here or somewhere else. The later it happens, the more complicated it will be.

Aleksandar Malečić
420 days ago

Let's suppose you have bought a book. It's something you own and it contains a text that you and its author are going to share. I suppose a similar perception of knowledge and "love" toward a thing is between you and a borrowed book. Reading this book is some kind of ritual. If there are unread books bought long time ago, thinking of them will make you feel guilty. You must read them as soon as possible.

Now, let's suppose you have downloaded a PDF document. It might be as good, informative and interesting as the book mentioned above. But, it's not physical and anyone connected to the World Wide Web. Alright, maybe I didn't exactly identify the origin of this phenomenon, but the fact is that the book is more interesting to us. The same video sold on DVD or uploaded directly on Youtube will be perceived differently. A thing that ("only") you own is read/watched/listened more carefully than something available for free on the Web. That text/video/song might be really interesting, but there are many beautiful multimedia contents just a mouse-click away.

If you go to Youtube, you may be surprised by a relatively small number of views of some videos. Popular music videos that "everyone" has seen many times on TV have a million of watchers or less. So, it seems that the majority doesn't want to do much research - they prefer to be fed by the old-fashioned media and newspapers and magazines (physical or online). One of the most popular websites in Serbia is by radio and TV station B92. Even if blogs, discussions and text have absolutely nothing in common with that radio and television station, even if they are edited by other people, potential readers follow names. If you stumble upon a Youtube video separated in more parts, there is an enormous disproportion between the number of people who have watched the first and the last part. If we watched on our loved TV channel, chances are we would swallow it in its entirety like a young and hungry bird, especially if there aren't many other channels. When control is on our side, we have problems to properly use it.

This is how thing work in this virtual realm. People are passive and they need guides to tell them what to watch, listen, or read. On the other hand, anyone (including me) can post his/her thoughts or ideas. Somewhere in this hyperactive and information-saturated environment with a majority that still needs guides and trend-setters should be developed virtual creative scenes. It's a difficult task. Do we need them at all?

Politics as we know it with the greedy becoming greedier and the rich richer will never spontaneously change. If we expect the initiative for turning thing upside down from political hierarchy, we will be cooked like the frog from that legendary experiment. Something must be done. Politics as usual needs help (even more when it doesn't recognize this need) from more adaptive and flexible networks. Complex problems need equally complex approaches to problem-solving. But, is it doable? It should better be doable.

One important component of development of creativity that should be mentioned here is consumerism. Consumerism means that people spend a lot of money in buying nice (or well advertised) things. A creative person working on something bizarre can also expect some money from people who appreciate his/her work and have money. Money doesn't grow on trees. Economic growth means more money. It feeds on consumerism. Consumerism causes damage in the environment and as such it's a disease. Economic growth feeds on a disease. Creativity and initiative often feed on that same disease. Relatively economically rich countries can have an initiative in development of renewable energy and green technologies. The same money (and cash flow) is supposed to be used for destruction and creation.

Aleksandar Malečić
398 days ago

Let’s suppose that this meshwork is some kind of emerging creative scene. Who would I be as a member of this scene? Later I’ll discuss here a possible outcome that nothing big happens here.

I belong to the first wave of this virtual creative scene. Am I qualified for this role? Well, we might discuss about my IQ, knowledge and education or working experience. It really isn’t impressive. Still, maybe I share something with a usual member of the first way of a creative scene. Those people think outside the box. I’ve been thinking outside the box all my life. I don’t even know where the box is. Members of the first wave generally aren’t obsessed with success and popularity. Sure, they would appreciate some kind of recognition, but there are easier ways to become popular than to working on something uncertain and trying to create things from scratch. Those people feel more comfortable with uncertainty and unknown outcomes than with status quo.

In order to start things moving, a member of the first wave of a creative scene needs some kind of audience. I am writing some texts here and at reading about sustainability renewable energy. I am also trying to be more involved in renewable energy as a PhD student. I am doing my best. I am talking in this comment about me, but my example works for any virtual creative scene such as this meshwork. While posting my stuff here, I was receiving good feedback. It’s nothing spectacular, but I’ve never expected it to be. It was enough. Why is the audience important? First of all, it encourages a member of the first wave. It’s easier to work on something that maybe has sense. So, do my activities here make sense? I think they do. Politics and hierarchy as usual are tired and they aren’t complex and interactive enough to properly deal with increasingly complex problems. I don’t thing, I know that something like this meshwork is necessary. Shall I or any member of the first wave of a virtual creative scene such as this meshwork change the world? No, it won’t happen. Weird people from the first wave aren’t supposed to bring the change. This is the role of the second wave. The role of the first wave is to set the path and to imagine the unimaginable. Individuals from the first wave are too eccentric. Individuals from the first and from the second wave have totally different mindsets. Before I start writing about the second wave, I should mention another role of the audience. No matter what we usually believe, we aren’t independent individuals. The way you talk, the way you walk, the way you dress, the way you move and your entire mentality are influenced by other people. It’s bidirectional – you influence them as much as they influence you. We imitate each other. We are less rational than we tend to believe. Also, I’ve already mentioned in this discussion topic a pattern. If you are closer to the center of a creative scene and if you spend your time with time with pioneers, you will start dreaming and breathing creativity. This will enormously increase your chances to do something creative. There isn’t anything paranormal in this fact. At least telepathy isn’t the most important component of this pattern.

After the first wave there is the second wave of a creative scene. After experiments and failures and successes during the first wave, it’s time for less eccentric individuals to do some copycatting. In case of initiatives like this meshwork, it means analyzing what works and what doesn’t work. If some failures are necessary during the process, they should happen as soon as possible. The second wave is supposed to show results to a wider audience and move things forward.

I’ve already mentioned here, but it should be mentioned once more. The description above can apply to an initiative similar to this meshwork. No one can understand the big picture. If it is “painted” properly, it doesn’t need to be understood. Don’t expect charismatic leaders to bring the change. It’s time for collective knowledge and wisdom.

Aleksandar Malečić
361 days ago

Maybe this comment belongs to this topic: http://2020.global.gaiaspace.org/global/pg/forum/topic/13139/as-seen-on-facespace/

A nice example of two waves of a creative scene are Myspace and Facebook. Myspace was bigger at the beginning. Its early members were mostly people who were looking for something new. If you are interested in finding musicians or other creative individuals, Myspace is better. The entire functionality of Myspace (including the search engine) is much better for people trying to create something unique, such as blogs, pictures, music and videos. Networks of friends on Myspace are more dispersed. If you want to have fun, join Facebook. If you want to find or create something new, join Myspace. Facebook is too random and hyperactive.

The second wave of a creative scene is bigger than the first one. Facebook is at the moment bigger than Myspace.

Aleksandar Malečić
310 days ago

We need miracles, breakthroughs similar to flight to the Moon. We need many trials, errors and occasional successes. We need new oil. Why is this goal more demanding than others in not so far history? There are many reasons such as:

  1. The reason for doing it, no matter how urgent (energy crisis and climate change)is abstract in comparison to the flight to the Moon challenge,
  2. Rich and powerful people need to reduce their egos and voluntarily allow new players to enter and leave the game (trials, errors and occasional successes),
  3. We don’t like to see our planet as limited and vulnerable,
  4. We should readjust our brains to think about the future (anticipation and backcasting instead of reaction) more than ever before,

One breakthrough or success story might do a lot.

Aleksandar Malečić
308 days ago

Speaking of flight to the Moon in the previous comment - the breakthroughs in fighting fascism and space missions had something aggressive (cold or real war) in them. The 20th century belonged to aggressive human tendencies. The same amount of money invested in killing that one terrorist would have done many nice things in the field of renewable energy. In order to succeed, this lifetime must be an age of networks, collaboration and ad-hoc teams (all those subtle things hardly traceable by monetary economy) and competition against former monopolies.

We need to turn the usual mindset upside down.