Group discussion > Communication Breakdown

Communication Breakdown

Aleksandar Malečić
831 days ago

We are here because we are concerned about sustainability. What should we do here if we wanted to communicate with other members? We can't share every thought and activity online, especially not with people whom we have never met in the real life. We are dealing with really complicated issues here, so it's not surprising that members of this meshwork have some beginner's problems with sharing their offline activities online. This is the topic about these problems.

Aleksandar Malečić
831 days ago

This topic will be slightly related to the group http://2020.global.gaiaspace.org/global/pg/groups/6780/2020-climate-solutions-hosts/.

Aleksandar Malečić
830 days ago

What are we supposed to develop here? They use the word "meshwork" for something that isn't new as an idea. It looks to me like a combination of different concepts. One of more obvious is social networks and their growth. I see similar ideas in metasystem transition (The Phenomenon of Science by Valentin Turchin - connected people (similar to cells in our body) forming some kind of superorganism), extended mind (The Extended Mind by Andy Clark & David Chalmers), intelligence amplification (An Introduction to Cybernetics by W.R. Ashby (last pages); Douglas Engelbart) etc. So, there is a lot of theory (including some newer books and articles), but does it work? If it does, does it work here? All books and articles mentioned here are available online for free.

Aleksandar Malečić
828 days ago

One reason for communication breakdown could be members who delete their contributions. You like it, like the tags added to that file or topic, but a member doesn't like it anymore and decides to delete it or the tags. Something similar has happened to me. There used to be a file with a PDF document about ecotherapy (with the tag "ecotherapy"). I thought today that it would be nice to mention similarities between that article and anticipation and metasystem transition, but it's removed. Oh, well.

Aleksandar Malečić
827 days ago

Let's admit it. There is something that all members of this meshwork (especially those more active) have in common. We believe in something, in some kind of (semi)religious purpose. That entire mess with environment makes me re-examine my perception of the world around me. It looks to me like the purpose leaving us. I totally understand why a (almost) religious person who asks questions all the time looks crazy to religious people and atheists alike. This kind of lunatic should somehow communicate with conventional people and convince them that this meshwork is a good thing.

Aleksandar Malečić
826 days ago

World Wide Web is huge. We need one network (or meshwork) for our cause. Whatever complaints people have about its design and functionality, they should be applied here. We don't need a competition between ecological equivalents of Myspaces, Facebooks, and Linkedins. Every conceptual or technological improvement should be done in one place. This place looks wide and flexible (probably with some technological improvements - Can programmers with good ideas participate in the design?) enough for our cause. I hope that this text will reach relevant people. This place should be a roof. You don't like it? Suggest improvements.

Aleksandar Malečić
823 days ago

We will touch, if these discussions develop into something bigger, religions and their views of good and bad, sustainability and overpopulation. I've seen in this meshwork the word "spirituality". It could mean:

a) something that transcends religions and psychology,

b) a supplement for religion for people living in fast food and fast thought, "rational" societies.

"Spirituality" should open our eyes and control our egos and not add new obstacles and misunderstandings in this already complicated world.

Aleksandar Malečić
822 days ago

One obvious problem for communication in a meshwork is language. Some people (including me) don't speak English so well. I can't play in English. Something in the way I express myself will be lost in translation.

Aleksandar Malečić
821 days ago

One potential problem could be members' contributions and its visibility. Add relevant tags, those catchy, piercing and easy to remember and find. Expect other people looking for you. Be a good host. Pay attention to tags and sentences. Also, try to find your contributions in the search engine.

Aleksandar Malečić
818 days ago

So, I've been here for two months the only really active person in the discussions area. There is a pattern of what will happen here. I'm sure that every registered member has felt some kind of hybrid between excitement and agony because of the urgency of environmental problems. This is not an average social network of yours. It won't behave normally. It will either explode or implode. Do your maths like I've done mine. A meshwork like this one will be an idea-space in which our global society will either succeed or fail (or do something in between). It's not a reason for hesitation.

Aleksandar Malečić
808 days ago

I've found an interesting text here: http://brandimpact.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/message-reception/. Let me quote a part of it:

"Your (marketing, instructional, motivational) message is delivered. Before it is “accepted” by the recipient as valid and worthy of remembrance and action, it needs to first pass through four filters:

  1. Source - is the person/medium delivering this message authoritative and believable?
  2. Relevance - does this matter to me, now? (Masie’s value-test)
  3. Reality - does this message seem to be in accord with what I believe to be accurate and real? (Masie’s truth-test)
  4. Core Convictions – does this message line up with my first principles – my (capital T) Truth beliefs?

Anywhere along the way, messages will be tossed out or passed along depending on alignment with these filters. Once a message is accepted, it needs to find a way to be indexed in the mind according to prior categories of knowledge/experience, and if action is called for, then behavior change may be possible."

What I am trying to do with my texts in this meshwork is to make both me and the meshwork look more serious as a source. I'll end this comment with an elaboration of my core convictions. I am aware that our global society is unsustainable, but the best thing that I can do about it is to hope that my herd with me as a member will walk the path of sustainable behaviour.

Aleksandar Malečić
804 days ago

It would be nice if we knew personally some members of this meshwork. You sometimes don't know whether your online-only collaborator is still active or not. It's similar in any social network, but here it can be very important.

Aleksandar Malečić
764 days ago

One can't tell what is going on behind the scenes, how many people are aware of this meshwork or similar online activities. Will this meshwork be more dynamic when it reaches a tipping point?

Aleksandar Malečić
538 days ago

What is the first thought when an average politician/businessman wakes up? Sustainability? I don't think so. Politicians came to Copenhagen (COP15) just to please some of their voters. They kind of tried everything, but other politicians just don't get it. Businesspeople on the other hand think only about profit and how to be globally competitive. They must behave and think this way, just like anyone else. It doesn't leave much space for communication.

Aleksandar Malečić
311 days ago

The era of new economy, depending on the way you perceive the world, either began long time ago or it will never happen. It’s less economy of inputs (investments) and outputs (profit) and more economy of networks. Take for example this text. Well, maybe more representative text would be by someone more clever and interesting, but you understand the point. Anyone can read it. There is a hypothesis that you are separated from any other person in the world by six degrees of separation or less. The quality of connection between these six degrees varies, but the network like this one can drastically decrease this separation both quantitatively and qualitatively. If something is complex and difficult for you or any other individual brain to comprehend, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. The new economy is about interactivity, connections, fuzzy causes and effects and creativity. The first thing an economist, after hearing about creative scenes and industries, would probably do is to assess creativity in terms of economic growth and competition. The world for him is a black box hopefully with monetary outputs bigger than monetary inputs. If you also see things this way, you will ignore a big part of the world such as good manners, people’s enthusiasm and fulfilment. According to the monetary paradigm, you are aggressive and selfish. Are you? Animals can interact with other animals without obvious payoffs. Can you?

Some people are more active online than others. You can’t describe online networking to someone who doesn’t expose himself online. The only way to understand what it’s about is to feel it. Elizabeth Currid (The Warhol Economy: How Fashion, Art, and Music Drive New York City) and Richard Florida (Who’s Your City?) are right. People aren’t robots and their interactions can hardly be put into numbers and statistics that are supposed to describe the whole reality. I’ve learnt a lot of things by reading texts and watching and listening multimedia online. I can’t trace back the whole process, but my disability to do so doesn’t make this process nonexistent.

There are millions of people on online social network. The existence and survival of those networks depends heavily on a small number of people and investments and profit. The old economy of competition, aggressive behaviour, selfishness and envy might strangle the new one. Since the new economy is stubbornly indescribable, the tragedy of its death would be very difficult to understand if one looks at people, society and the environment as mechanisms.

The positive change will either happen here or it won’t happen at all. As long as I breathe I don’t have the right to be a passive observer. I shall never understand the chain of events caused by this text through degrees of separation. I can only hope that they will be positive.

Aleksandar Malečić
231 days ago

We need to develop some strong links between each other in order to prevent the system from falling apart. The New Economy is about networks and connections. The Old Economy is (or was) about globalized competition, risky behaviour and diminishing marginal returns on investments in complexity (The Collapse of Complex Societies by Joseph Tainter). Which one will you bet on?