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Easy Money

Aleksandar Malečić
849 days ago

Criminals can earn a lot of money. They don't have to go to school. Actually, too much education is bad for their business. There are some other unhealthy activities that can bring profit. I suppose that money and value are similar things, but they are definitely not the same. It's difficult to see the difference between money and value. It's even more difficult to see the difference between money and power.

 

Aleksandar Malečić
820 days ago

Politicians care about our human rights. According to them, one of the most important human rights is to spend a lot of money for buying nice things. Someone should punch the system in the face. Not because the system deserves it (it does, though), but because our grandchildren need future. I don't mean literally with riots, there's already enough chaos out there. For example, I would try to do something about all that paper and plastics around us (e.g. electronic books followed with electronic paper), but I'm not in a position to do that.

Aleksandar Malečić
790 days ago

Look at content of an average buyer's basket in the supermarket. If you, like me, live in a part of the world willing to take its share of American dream, it's full of nice, shiny, ultra soft and ultra efficient, lovely packed products. Money and power are on the side of people who produce and sell those nice and shiny things. We can't solve this problem by recycling and cradle-to-cradle. We can only scratch its surface. Brands, ultra soft products and packages that don't rot (and that you don't have to wash and use again) make money and working places.

Aleksandar Malečić
784 days ago

Money and its equivalents aren't used just for shopping. Huge amounts are investments. Business people invest in opportunities that can yield in a short time even more investments. If you have investments (and more and more investments), you can control people's lives. Where is sustainability in the whole situation? Business as usual is unsustainable, but what is sustainable?

Aleksandar Malečić
775 days ago

How can you get things done through collaboration? You can be convincing (your name is like a brand, it's more important than your activities), you can offer enough money or you can manipulate. Business (money) and politics go hand in hand. It has always been this way with all those new and old aristocracies. The whole system that used to work (better or worse) for centuries and millennia will be turned upside down one way or another. It will be either broken or adapted.

Aleksandar Malečić
764 days ago

I live in post-communism/socialism/isolation Serbia. We can see here in form of a caricature something that spreads like a disease across the globe. An increasing number of people dream the American dream. There is no place for empathy in this dream, no place for happiness, no place for personal and societal fulfilment. In this dream people know (at least approximately) how much money you earn and measure your success (and compare theirs). In this dream the only thing that matters is whether you can make money and be a relevant part of globalized economy. It's hard to imagine something that still doesn't exist, a world in which consumerism and unsustainable behaviour isn't a dream, but a nightmare.

Aleksandar Malečić
763 days ago

Employers usually don't need you to get things done. They need you to make money. You are successful if you can find a scheme or a combination for making money. All those girls, yachts, beaches and parties are yours if you can make money.

Aleksandar Malečić
762 days ago

While designing a sustainable global society (the words "design" and "plan" sound very undemocratic if they are combined with "society", but they are proper for our current situation), we need the best designers and the best designs. The designers must be motivated to deal with tectonic (both in speed and intensity) processes. One way to motivate and keep them is money, and another is to allow them to see a purpose behind their work.

Aleksandar Malečić
758 days ago

Suppose that you provide food and water for other people, take care about weak and powerless. Do you want to get rich? Change your job immediately. I think there should be should be some kind of mixed economy - non-monetary (I'll do something for you and you'll do something for me) and monetary. I've heard about suggestions that we should totally stop using money. It doesn't make sense to me. We should keep on relying on money (or its equivalents) and at the same time be aware of the power of community and increase it.

Aleksandar Malečić
753 days ago

What is an economic crisis? It is when investments don't return, when debts are too big, when foreign investments withdraw (and leave ruins behind them) and when domestic investments move abroad. Is it really the most terrible thing in the world? When unsustainable behaviour is profitable, this planet desperately needs another financial crisis.

Aleksandar Malečić
731 days ago

What causes panic these days? People (the media) are concerned about financial crises and how to fix them. Those who cause crises are on the top of the list for salvation. Can you imagine the same level of care for enough clean water? I am trying.

Aleksandar Malečić
713 days ago

This planet has limited resources. It's nice to discuss about global commons (you can find it in this meshwork) or economy based on resources (Jacque Fresco), but are this things achievable? Without a technological and societal transformation that allows raw materials to go through a full circle (cradle to cradle or from nature to nature), easy money will after the peak oil and other similar peaks (availability of raw materials, food and water lesser and lesser) become absurdly easy money combined with the basic needs. Will people at the source of absurdly easy money combined with the basic needs be willing to share?

Aleksandar Malečić
675 days ago

Free market and sustainability in the long run are incompatible. This fact was true billions years before us and it will remain true billions years after us. The most important things such as water, food, air and education should be affordable.

Aleksandar Malečić
651 days ago

Gross domestic product (GDP) and its similar alternatives will never reflect a country's long-term sustainability. A good measure would be a "capability to do things that matter and to bring sustainable results".

Aleksandar Malečić
602 days ago

Politicians are elected or replaced depending on whether they are "good for business" or not. Is this really a good option to remain being good for business as long as possible? Are ancestors were not willing and able to accept the fact that our planet is round and moves around the Sun. They had the same brain structure like you and me. Politicians didn't fail in Copenhagen. The whole concept of being both good for business and sustainable failed in Copenhagen. It will fail in all future Copenhagens.

Aleksandar Malečić
594 days ago

Soldiers defend our country from enemies. Police protects you from criminals. Your patriotic duty is to spend, to buy things, and to keep your national economy globally competitive. As the world becomes more globalized, your mission to do the shopping seems to be even more important.

Aleksandar Malečić
586 days ago

There is a growing need to do things that matter, to participate in a sustainable society. Business as usual is devoted to making things (products and services) and then convincing people (customers) that they need these things.

Aleksandar Malečić
583 days ago

The world is being globalized. Profit is the epicentre of globalization. People move to cities looking for easy money. Business as usual is supposedly the most important thing happening in people's lives. But, business as usual will fall apart sooner than we can imagine. Wicked, isn't it?

Aleksandar Malečić
580 days ago

Who are role-models and celebrities? They are people active in different professions. They are not necessarily better and more talented than other people, but they usually have one thing in common - they know how to earn easy money. When they are celebrities, they can earn that money even more easily.

Aleksandar Malečić
577 days ago

Expensive things are usually those that no one needs, but only rich people can afford. Easy money, profit and power are concentrated around expensive things. Fiscal and monetary policy can only partially deal with this problem.

Aleksandar Malečić
560 days ago

easy money = lack of interest for the environment = lack of interest for the environment = global domination

Does this equation, after all those debts and failed Copenhagens, still work?

Aleksandar Malečić
543 days ago

When money is relatively easily earned and in big amounts, people don't want to waste their time thinking about future challenges and complications. Optimists are good for societal stability, but depressive and slightly (sometimes not so slightly) insane people move things forward. That mechanism of optimistic delusions is valuable to bring us to the next day with less suffering, but it's still delusional.

Aleksandar Malečić
542 days ago

Do more intelligent people usually earn more money? If this is generally the case, are you stupid in comparison to that man who earns more than you? Are you stupid if you produce food?

Aleksandar Malečić
533 days ago

We in former Yugoslavia had many peacemakers back in the day. Some of them are still here. Who is qualified as a nice person and who has the right to qualify him/her? If you live in a "developed" part of the world with people earning a lot of money, then your nation is democratic, beautiful and capable to choose global peacemakers and send them wherever they are needed. It's simple as that. Pay enough and you will buy your truth.

Aleksandar Malečić
529 days ago

Easy money is ready for one more round of financial recovery and competition before something happens. Are you supposed to be a passive observer?

Aleksandar Malečić
512 days ago

After climate change and peak oil, it will be more difficult to earn easy money. Easy money is earned on presumptions that economy will grow forever (Financial crises, anyone?) and that climate and agriculture will be stable enough to let rich people in cities focus on services and financial schemes. Perhaps it will be much more complicated to earn easy money in not so distant future (after a tipping point or two is crossed).

Aleksandar Malečić
500 days ago

Easy money is like napalm. It is usually earned on crime and exploitation and tends to invest and buy things globally. The most important things must be cheap and luxury is expensive. Destruction through globalization is a relatively slow process, but still a process.

 

Aleksandar Malečić
480 days ago

Easy money is the tool for globalization. The easiest money of all is earned on careless behaviour and (legal or illegal) criminal activities. If people spread the idea of easy money and financial schemes, they also spread the idea of careless behaviour. In order to remain competitive (the most competitive in a globalized world), companies must stretch their carelessness to the limit and over it. Nature can't write laws and we can overlook our destructive behaviour as legal and hence "good". Once you have entered the vicious circle of global competition, you must run with everyone else. Even worse, you will be forced to accelerate all the time, not because you need a better life but because you must remain competitive. One wrong step of a globalized corporation is enough to break down and leave an empty space behind it. It may easily happen that there is no one to fill in this empty space because similar companies were destroyed through global competition long time ago. Think about it when your read or write this kind of documents: http://2020.global.gaiaspace.org/global/pg/file/malecic/read/17420/outcome-of-the-work-of-the-ad-hoc-working-group-on-longterm-cooperative-action-under-the-convention .

Once a technologically advanced product has entered stores, it's old and imperfect. Its imperfection isn't in performances but in a possibility that other companies could make something similar. If you as a capitalist want to defeat communists, you must force them to compete with you. But, on the long run, capitalists can win themselves. Their corporations are fed with steroids and they have huge muscles, but it's not enough. These muscles must grow forever and their growth must accelerate. Bankruptcy is not a crisis. It's an outcome with very visible causes and effects. We might not like this fact, but we can't change it with our wishful thinking. We are an animal species, just like any other. The only difference is that we are unaware of our imperfection. It's not fair to use the word "crisis" for the only possible outcome of a certain set of behaviours.

So, what to do? First of all, globalization governed by investments in unsustainable behaviour and global competition must stop immediately. It won't, but it still must happen. Then, we must accept the fact that food production, protection of natural resources and education, no matter how important, will rarely be good business opportunities. Taxes can only partially help here. When you see a TV propaganda claiming that your nation needs more children or asking when you will live better (increase your GDP), change the channel. In order to clear your mind and make right decisions, first you must minimize all that incoming noise. Play with your networks and interactions, try to question and redefine them. They will change abruptly and you should be prepared as much as possible. This meshwork, for example, is a nice place for doing your thinking and preparation (and an interaction or two), but I can't force you to use it.

I must admit you something. This comment is heavily influenced by the film "Zeitgeist: Moving Forward". It's the third film in a series. You may disagree with the first one, because it has some really stupid parts (religions, conspiracies...). Actually, the first part is mostly painfully stupid. On the other hand, regardless of its authors' intentions, it's brilliant from the point of view of viral marketing. Put some heresy, conspiracy theories or "definite" answers to religious questions (even better - call people who ask such questions monsters, fools or fundamentalists) in your book or film and people will probably notice you and discuss about you. Regardless of sensationalism, the third part has some really good points. I especially like when they talk about money and value. On the other hand, I disagree with the design part of the whole thing, probably the most important part in the authors' opinion. I am more for playing with networks and interactions, for ad-hoc and adaptive behaviour instead of central planning ("too big to fail"). I mostly support that non-monetary part. The non-monetary component of economy has been with us all the time - friends, families, neighbours, online social networks... It's hard to measure it (supply and demand of friendship or interactivity) and it will probably never replace the monetary component (which is, by the way, in crisis). The trick is how to increase its presence and efficiency. I am more for Sibout Nooteboom (adaptive networks), Douglas Engelbart (augmented intelligence), Valentin Turchin (metasystem transition) and Andy Clark (extended mind) and Thomas Friedman (the world is flat) than for circle-shaped cities. Perhaps in some out of many possible futures we could do something in this vein. If we don't try and play with networks and interactions, we'll never find out. This is the reason why I have joined this meshwork. Networks and "the flat world" were my first love. Environmentalism came later. Instead of the design part of Zeitgeist, I suggest the aforementioned authors and Erik Reinert (if you can something related to his book Global Economy) and Eaarth by Bill McKibben. Perhaps even Robert Rosen and Mihai Nadin (both writing about anticipation (reaction to expected future events) and complexity) may help. Still, all these authors can only provide us hints instead of solutions.

I need your feedback and activities. I can't describe how much I am thankful to Wout-Jan Koridon (http://2020.global.gaiaspace.org/global/pg/profile/WoutJanKoridon) and David Beatty (http://2020.global.gaiaspace.org/global/pg/profile/davidbeatty) and their feedback. They really, really mean a lot to me.

Learn how to live with the fact that the easiest money is usually the filthiest and play with interactions. Surprise me and yourself. Do it here or suggest me a better playground. Don't be surprised by other people's hesitation. They reaction is expected and natural. Don't be expected and natural. Stretch your creativity and collaboration to the limit instead of your debts and competition. Let your herd do their usual stuff. One discussion topic won't do much, but complex and interconnected problems need similarly complex and interconnected solutions. As long as you hesitate, the problems will become bigger. Imagine someone really brilliant and intelligent being active in this meshwork as much as me or even more. That would be amazing. My role here is to keep this meshwork alive and expect, inspire and encourage someone brilliant (You?). Whoever reads my (or your) words here, they will leave a trace in his/her mind. I'll never be able to see the bigger picture, the outcomes of my writings. From now on, this comment will have its own life, totally independent from me as its author. You haven't paid to me anything for it. I'm giving it to you.
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Aleksandar Malečić
473 days ago

There is a good book Global Economy by Erik Reinert. I'm not even sure there is an English translation of this book. Anyway, the message of this book is that the richer tend to become richer and the poorer become poorer. If you want to produce food or anything "outdated", you'll be in trouble after joining global competition. After some time, you don't need economic growth just to "live better", but in order to remain competitive. Not just that - you must be competitive and the best in the world in your field all the time. You are forced to create new products all the time, not because previous were bad, but because your competition might figure out how to make them. As long as you are selfish, you are competitive. Is this "the real life", something you must learn to live with while growing up (The real life is all about killing or being killed and survival of the fittest.)? So, "the real life" is something we must learn and something opposite to our instincts and inherited sense of purpose. Global competition is a machine. Just like the book The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins about genes having their logic, some economist should write a book about selfish money.

So, if the richer really become richer, how it works? First of all, they are usually concerned only about themselves and their colleagues (if they can help them to be richer). Also, they accumulate profit. Try to protect water supply, produce food or educate people and you will really be in trouble to accumulate profit. So, selfish people are rewarded for their selfishness. It doesn't mean they are monsters and that they are doing something illegal (though the easiest money is usually illegal), but it's a process, no matter how slow. As long as you delay your responsible behaviour (debts, natural resources), you will accumulate more money. Global competition forces you to be the best in the world in delaying responsible behaviour, to be a master in tightrope walking. You will fall sooner or later. It will be a crisis, something "sudden" and "unexpected". You have previously destroyed local and less competitive businesses (a hardly repairable damage) and loosened local communities (urbanization, competition), but you will also face tough times sooner or later. When this happens, politicians should morally and financially support you, or else...

There are, besides selfishness ("the real life") and careless behaviour, two secret ingredients of the rich becoming richer. They accumulate profit and can make further investments and use the economy of large numbers (globalization) for even more accumulated profit. Then second ingredient is the network supporting their activities: people financially capable to buy the latest goods and services (convinced through an aggressive campaign that they will be very unhappy if they don't do so) and politicians. Also, these days you are not successful if your child or pupil is a good person. You are a role model and interesting for the media (both as a person and as a country/region) if you are rich. If you do something for others, you are not interesting. You are capable for big achievements (at least according to the media) only if you do something for yourself. Achievements of a rich person are very simple to calculate: there is input (investments) and there is output (profit). I've read an unintentionally monstrous analysis of by contributions of an average housewife to her home calculated in monetary equivalents. It would be unfair here not to mention those people who really do much for other people without expectations of monetary rewards, those giants among us. But, the greatest of them usually receive a bullet instead of paychecks.

The network should be redefined, or else...

Aleksandar Malečić
469 days ago

I shall write in the following comment about surrogate motherhood. I don't have a definite opinion about the ethical aspects of the whole thing. I have an opinion today, but it may easily change tomorrow. Today I'll observe this phenomenon from the point of view of easy money.

So, what is surrogate mother? Someday a husband and wife/a gay couple decided to have children. But, their health situation/sexual preferences don't allow them to have one in a usual way. What can they do? They can find a surrogate mother, a woman willing to bring somebody else's child to this world. Why would she do such a thing? One good motivation is money. After the agreement is reached, what we've got here? We have a woman carrying in her womb for nine months a child with an entirely different genome. I don't know much about genetics, but I guess there is some fluids exchange or something that may cause complications in this arrangement. Anyway, there is prenatal psychology. It's important that a mother loves her child before it's even born. Even for physiological development is better is if a child is surrounded by those hormones of love and happiness. Does a surrogate mother love "her" child? Her duty/contract/obligation is not to emotionally attach to this child.

Who was a surrogate mother in the first place? She was a person in a desperate need for money. Where does this desperate need come from? It comes from business/community as usual. She has tried everything in this world of free enterprise/competition/globalization, but it just didn't work. That surrogate motherhood thing is a "nice" way for her to get some money. Let's go back to that question: does she love this child? Chances are that she even (no matter how subconsciously) hates it. Just imagine - a little prince/princess growing hands, legs and neural synapses in a hateful environment.

Let's see who will take this child. It's a couple with enough money. Where does this money come from? It comes from business. Where are good opportunities from business these days? It's in services and financial institutions without any products - just schemes, combinations and putting other people in debts. Globalization will also do, especially if more and more third world nations compete with you - you have technology, investments, experience and network of experts and they have nothing. Production will do if it relies on cheap labour (something similar to surrogate motherhood). But, don't forget the secret ingredient of success - careless behaviour. As long as you ignore the environment, it's good for your business. Well, it will be complicated when a system or two irreversibly breaks down, but it's in a distant future and we shall develop advanced technologies capable to deal with that detail, right? Not really. Thermodynamics can be very stubborn.

Who else is involved in this combination? We have a couple and a surrogate mother and there are also doctors. Why are doctors involved in this arrangement? They can earn money. If your monetary offer is bigger, their dilemmas (Will this child come loved to this world?) will last shorter.

We mustn't forget the child. It's not only prenatal psychology/physiology. There is love and care after the birth. With or without surrogate mothers, their parents will be busy with their careers and competition with other people. They will also go to parties and sail with their yachts, not only to have fun, but also to show other people their success. Competition and love for other people don't really go hand in hand. Never mind, there will be enough money for their princes and princesses to buy cocaine and feed emotional emptiness.

Aleksandar Malečić
195 days ago

Once the hierarchy is established, we are supposed to financially intervene in order to keep it the way it is. For some mysterious reason there is a belief that history has only one valid time arrow - from agriculture through production to post-industrial services and schemes. Food production and water protection is the last thing that should be reduced to zero. Agriculture might have a not-so-impressive cash flow, but this limited environment knows nothing about cash flow and global competition. These are our relatively new and experimental (with problematic experimental results) inventions. The Earth can rotate without cash flow. Back in the day aristocracy used to have a lot of money, then industrialists and then post-industrial... you name them. Things are changing all the time.

Aleksandar Malečić
151 days ago

As long as rich people spend their money in a publicly visible unsustainable way (resources and energy consumption) and the media keep on promoting this lifestyle as the only one worth living, no renewable energy or recycling technology will do much. There are billions of people all around the world (after being systematically brainwashed that this is exactly what they need) willing to try and see what's so special in carelessly spending the future.